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Ep. 45 | Juggling Motherhood & Business with Wedding Photographer Mikayla Chaparro

January 30, 2020 Brooke Jefferson Episode 45
Book More Clients Photography Podcast - How to Start a Photography Business, Marketing Strategy, How Photographers Make Money
Ep. 45 | Juggling Motherhood & Business with Wedding Photographer Mikayla Chaparro
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Today’s guest is Mikayla Chaparro and today we will be centering our conversation around a question you all have asked me many times… “How do you balance photography and motherhood?” Be sure to tune in to hear what awesome tips she has to share!

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spk_1:   0:07
Welcome to the frame your way. Photography podcasts. I'm your host, Brooke Jefferson. I'm a wife, Mama to two and full time photographer and business coach. I created this podcast with the aspiring photographer in mind to bring you inspiring stories. Strategies to help you go from zero to multiple figures and tips and tricks to help you get one step closer. Toe work. Life harmony. Are you ready to frame your way to your dream career? Let's die then. Hey, you guys, welcome back to another episode of the frame your way. Photography podcast. Today's guest is Michaela Ship are Oh, Did I say that right? I hope I did. She is a wedding photographer out of Lubbock, Texas. And today we're going to be centering our conversation around the question. You all have been in my D ends About how do you balance photography and motherhood? So, Makayla, will you introduce yourself?

spk_0:   1:08
Yeah. So I am Michaela Dawn Shapiro and I say Dawn because most of the people that know me know me by Michaela John Photography. But, um, anyway, I am based in Lubbock, Texas. I am 26 years old, will be 27 next month and I have three Children aged 10 5 and four. And I am married to my best friend who does videography alongside me. And yeah, we just we love what we do. We it's ah, it's awesome. It works for our family, and I'm just excited to be here.

spk_1:   1:44
That is so awesome. Yeah. I was saying before we started recording that she had to mention that her husband works with her. I think that's so cool. And I was telling her I don't know if I'd love that or hate that. But I think for all of us that are married, it would be a love hate relationship. Pretty much, yes. The good news is Michaela said that they love it, you know, the majority of the time, which is great. Um, yes. Oh, I know that everyone is dying to hear your journey on how you got into photography and how you made it your career. So let's dive into that.

spk_0:   2:21
Okay, So, um, let's see how long ago was this? So when we get my husband, I got married five years ago. We've been married, like, five and 1/2 years, and I actually was a teen mom. So I had. My oldest is 10 and I'm 26. We do the map. I had her at 16. So that was like my story. That's still my testimony and something that was really hard for me to walk through. But I missed out a lot on her life, and, um, I was obviously in high school, finishing up that, and then I had to get a job and I was going to college and just all of those things. So when my husband and I got married, we immediately got pregnant with my middle child. Natalie and I just told him I missed out on everything with Emma, our oldest, like, I'm not going to do that again. I'm going to, like, quit. My job will just be super super broke and poor, and we will just like, make it work because I'm don't want to miss out on that with this second child. So that's what we did, and I quit my job. But according at a dental office, I was a financial coordinator there for about three and 1/2 years, and I quit there, and that is kind of how the photography thing like happened for me because when I quit to stay home, I actually discovered that I was not made to just stay home. And I kind of I've always been a really driven person, and I've always had a lot of ambition. So, like, it works for the first, like, phew months. But then I was like, Okay, I'm so I have to do something. I'm so antsy and I are always wanted to get into photography and not for like, business. But I always wanted to learn it. And so that year that I quit my husband surprise me for my birthday and bought me like a Nikon D 5300 like a little crop sensor. DSLR and I was just like, This is so amazing. I can finally, like learn. And so when he would go to work, I would stay home and watch YouTube videos on how to operate a camera, how to shoot and manual like all the things. And so once I kind of figured that out. I was like taking pictures of my Children and, like posting them on Facebook and eventually just had some people were like, Wow, you're really good at this Would you take pictures of my family and or would you take pictures of my kids? And I was like, Yeah, sure. And I'd go over there and do it. They give me, like, a few bucks, Like I was even asking for money at that point. But they were like, Sure, Here you go. And so to me, I was like, Oh, my gosh. $50. I am rich like Oh, my gosh, I could go to pay way, like five times. This is amazing. So like like, we were so broken the time that $50 with meant like, you know, two tanks full of gas. And so I just kind of like that was like my motivating factor behind it. I was like, Oh, wait, what if I really made this work? Like, what if I really got good? And so I started, like just learning more about photography. And then I made I decided, Oh, I'm gonna like make a Facebook page and I'm gonna make an instagram, and I'll just, like, call myself a legit business, you know, like I'll be a photographer, which everyone rolled their eyes at me at the time like I could tell all of the local photographers like, Oh, God, here comes another walking. But, um, I just started from there, and then I just like, grew my business. That was when I first got my camera, was in 2015 and I kind of just learned I shot my first wedding in 2015 and I was learning my camera. And then 2016 is when it like, actually, like I had my first full time year of like being a photographer. And so the reason I didn't have to go back to my job because I built up my business very, very, very quickly, and that was like my drive behind it, cause I did not want to have to go back to a 9 to 5. I was miserable there. I'm such a creative I was like, I'm in the wrong field. I don't want to go back to school. I don't want to go back to my 9 to 5. I'll I'm just gonna make this work. And so within a year's time, I had replaced my income that I was making it the dental office anyway. And I was like, Why would I ever go back to that. So then my fairy, first year full time in 2016 I made, like, $76,000 my husband was like, Okay, there's something about this that you're good at. You need to be doing this like we need to just make this work. And so yeah, so I just like, built it from there and just, like, hustled my butt off and just got I don't even like it all. Seems like it happened overnight, so But it was just really exciting. And I think that I finally, like, found out in that process that I was actually an entrepreneur. I never knew that I was before because I always grew up like we grew up really poor. And so I just had a very poor mindset like you can't make your own business work. You have to let go to school in order to be successful. And none of my family had gone to school, so none of them were successful. And so it took a while to, like, figure out okay. Yeah, You don't have to like how that cookie cutter life you could make your own story And so that's what we did. And then about a year into it. Like I told my husband, like you need to be doing videography so that we can, like, do this together because at the time he like second shoot with me and stuff. But he was also he's also a very like, talented and deep and artistic person. He knows, like how to play music, and he's very, very much like an artist to his core. And I just thought you would be so good a videography, and I would look at what the other people were creating in our town, and I was like, This stuff sucks. You would be like, so good at it, like there's nobody that's doing it like in a cinematic way, and I just know that you would be good at it. So he was like, All right, I'll give it a shot So he, like, pitched himself to like one couple. They paid him, like, $500 I still to this day think that that was like his best video. And, um, well, maybe not his best now, but it's still one of my favorites to watch, and it was so good and I cried. My whole family cried when they watched him were like, Oh, my gosh, where you're going to do this like, this is what you're called to two. So he quit his job, and then I had, you know, been supporting us with photography money. And then we just merged businesses. He created his own business name and I had mine. And then now we're, you know, years deep into this, and this is our full time thing

spk_1:   8:24
Listening to your story. I was just like, seeing a reflection of my story because we have so much in common, like it's pretty scary. Um, we're the same age like you're just a couple months older than me. Um, I was a teen mom, too, but I was a teen mom on the cusp of it all. Hits. I was 19 whereas you were 16 but it's still a teen. Moms still don't know what the crap were doing. We were both moms before we ever became photographers, which I truly think plays a role and the lichens, the ambition, like I've always been driven myself two. But it's different when you have to provide for human beings that depend on you and we both come from similar backgrounds of There wasn't a whole lot of money. There wasn't a whole lot of privilege. But, you know, you grew up and somehow you still found yourself being a dreamer. You know, never did you really imagine you would play it out into reality but still being a dreamer? And I just think that's so special. And of course, I was a $50 photographer back away in the day. It's just funny to me. I think so many of us resonate with that because it's just a starting point, like you just have to start. And like I said, I don't penalize the people who started $50. We all have to start somewhere. My goal is that people will eventually figure it out and start realizing. Okay, I know enough I can charge more. I can up my prices. I'm worth it. My work is worth it, and you also have to look obviously at what you need to get bye with. So wow, so your story is absolutely incredible. It was very easy to follow, which is always my favorite, and I love just how God orchestrates stories. It's just so crazy and so good, and none of us could ever write our stories that perfectly. So that's awesome. Did you always know that wedding photography was

spk_0:   10:20
for you? Um, so when I was getting started, I knew that I was not drawn to family slick immediately, because that's one of the first things that you photographed when you're starting to get started, cause it's easier to get somebody to hire you or to like, go take a family picture than it is for somebody to trust you with their wedding day. So that's definitely where I started doing families and seniors because I live in a college town. So, um so, yeah, I started doing that, and I just was I liked some of it, but I just was like, I'm not I don't think that this is where I want to be. And I found wedding photography because I, like, wanted to see what it was like. And so I started second shooting. And so I had a film photographer, like posted in a group that said, I'm looking for a second shooter to come to Waco. Um, I need them. I'll pay your like your travel and then, you know, like, $200 or something. And I was like, Oh, my gosh. Wow, that would be amazing. I will be rich. And so I reached out to her and she was like, Yeah, great. And I was like, I only have a crop sensor. And she's like, Honestly, I just need somebody like load film. I can show you how to do it when you get there and whatever. So it was It worked out and she was so, so, so kind. And I just kind of followed her around throughout the day and then helped her. And I did shoot a little bit. But I helped her load film, and I, like, just saw how she styled Slat lays and saw how she did, like, just, like, orchestrated the wedding day in the whole entire thing. And by the end of it, like my husband went with me on that trip cause we kind of just made it a little trip out of it, and then, all right, he picked me up at the end of it, and I was just like, Oh, my gosh, this is what I want to do. He was like, Are you sure? And I was like, Yes, like, ah 100 times would do this, then show up, show family such hidden on dso That's kind of where the love of it was born. And, um and yeah, so I've just always from the very get go in the very early stages, My business, like I really spent very little time saying like, I am a photographer who does like every single thing you know, like that was the first few months, but I very, very quickly decided, like, I want to specialize in weddings. That's what I'm gonna do. And so that's where I headed.

spk_1:   12:34
That's a really good way, Thio Narrow it down to what you love to do is number one. Something's either going to turn you off, which, you know, when I interview senior photographers, I'm just like, No, no, that is not my alley. But I love you. We need people like you. I mean, same thing with studio newborn. I just I think for me it's just overwhelming to think about. So, like, I know that those types of photography I'm like, No. When people say family, I'm like yes, there. When people say weddings, you know, for you it turns you on. That's a really good indicator. You found what you want to do it It's what literally it's the fire in your belly and literally I think everybody knows that I'm talking about There is something that we have photographed or that we want to photograph. It literally is like fire in our bellies. That is a really good way to find your specialty, if you will. No way. So I really want to transition into How do you balance work? Life and motherhood? Do you guys have boundaries? How did you do it wrong before? Until you found, like, what works for you? I would love to just dive in and see what that looks like for you. And then, of course I'm happy. Chicks like what it looks like for me, cause nobody's is that we're gonna be the same.

spk_0:   13:53
Yeah. So I really think that work life balance is, like, totally just a mirage. Like it's your really never, ever gonna find it. Just being an entrepreneur and a mother like together, you're always gonna have seasons where you feel like you're really failing in one area, and then you're like, doing really well in another. And then sometimes it's gonna feel like you're pulled in so many different directions. And so you're not doing anything well, And I think I think just finding, um that just grace to give myself to know that it's not it's not gonna ever be perfect. I'm always going to feel like, just pulled in different directions. I have definitely found more of a way to, like, give and take in that area. The longer that we've been in this, we're still figuring it out like we are super, super successful now and we make a lot of money, but we're not. We're still figuring out like we still have to, like, reassess, like, weekly and be like Okay, last week was really terrible. How do we like you know what we need to do better this week that will, like, help us all feel a little bit like, less like I'm not getting what I need. They're not getting what they need and all of that. So, um, a way that I have found two help with work Life balance for me has been just to like be okay with letting go of part of my business that I held on to for so long. I held on to my business like it was my baby for, like, years and just said, like, I can't let anybody answer my emails. I can't let anybody like edit for me. I can't do any of these things. And so that has been like a big, huge shift for me, like in learning to outsource and learning to say, Like if I keep doing this the way that I've always done it before, I'm gonna get burnt out and it's not sustainable, like I can't live like that forever. And I had a lot of seasons where I wanted to just, like, throw in the towel and just give up because it was so hard to find that I wanted, like my my kids are so important to me. But then, like my business is so important to me. And also just like having a night identity outside of motherhood is has always been so important to me. Like that's just always been something. I knew that I was gonna put at the forefront because I feel most fulfilled when I am doing both, you know, like and I don't think I have to choose between the two of them. And so outsourcing has been a huge thing for me in trying to find ballots because I think and I think that everybody, if you continue in whatever business it is you do you find that out very, very quickly, like you're going to have to outsource any like something, whether it be like house cleaning or food, prepping or like I don't know, like, or your editing or your e mails or something like that, like in order to find more balance and clarity and just be able to do all of the things that you are called to and you feel pulled to end that are required of us as mothers and business owners, you have to like, learn how to let go some of it. So we also have gotten Mar kids into a session in there little. It's hard when they're little but are little ones. Go to a PDO, which is like a parent's day out preschool program, three days a week until noon, and that's like not even enough time, so that my sister watches them. After that, she fixed them up and watches them like until three. So what? Least we have, like, three days a week? We can like work until three. So that's been something that's helped with with finding balance, just basically like learning to let go of some things and not, like, feeling like, Oh, I have to be a state of her mom, Which means I can't have abs like any type of child care or I can't have any type of help. Like, I think, as women, it's hard for us to ask, ask for help and, like, admit we need it because we want to have it like everything all together and let it go. That pride for me, like, has helped me tremendously in making sure that I can do this long term. And I don't get burnt out. So

spk_1:   17:52
it s oh, man, so many good points. One of the things that you mentioned was seasons. Motherhood is the season right? As soon as you think you've got it figured out, it's time for a new season and we'll hit you out of nowhere. And there are seasons when you're gonna feel like the best mom in the world. And there are seasons when you I think everybody else is doing it right except you. And I'm gonna be honest. I am in a season like that right now, like this is very timely for me. And I've really like, I'm like, we're not crying on this podcast episode that I have really been feeling a lot of mom guilt because this is my busiest season and it does require Mom's face in a computer away more than I would like to admit. But again, it's a season. And I know you know, I'm like, two weeks out from me taking a 30 day break. I'm so excited. My kids are gonna be like, Can you go work on something? Please does. You're really annoying me. And I can't wait, because I don't feel like that right now. But like that, that's a huge point. And I know there's a lot of you that do Listen to this and you're expecting babies right now and you're not in motherhood just yet. But you're about to be Just hear me out and understand. We're literally all surviving. Okay? There is no secret manuscript, especially for those of us, the owner on business. And you will just have to find what works for you in the moment. Because what works for us in this season, it will change. And so seasons is the one thing I want you guys to remember. It is ever changing, and it always will be changing. Another thing that you brought up and I was like giving you a standing ovation was outsourcing. I cannot tell you enough how important that is. And when you're in the beginning of your business, you will tell yourself excuses. I can't afford that. I don't have time for that. Like whatever you're whatever the case may be, I don't have enoughto outsource. Only I can do everything in my business. And you will tell yourself this until you hit burnout. Then you're gonna hit burn out, and you're gonna want to throw in the towel like she talks about. And I have been here too many times and wonder like how you got here. And I'm telling you like if you guys will outsource in whatever way that is, so it could be a simple as if you don't like to cook and You're my kind of person. I hate cooking. Then you outsource it, like sign up for delivery system. Or ask your husband for goodness sakes, too. Cook for you. It's okay. You both live in the same house. And those of you that are single moms. I'm just gonna continue Thio applaud you. And that may not be one of the areas that you can outsource, but I promise there's something else, Um, one thing that I outsource and I honestly feel no shame about it. I cannot operate in a chaotic environment. And right now I'm trying to. My house is a disaster. So I have someone that comes and completely deep, clean my house twice month. And on those days I walked through the front door when she's done, and I am literally like I could accomplish so much right now it is so clean in here and then, you know, it lasts for not that long, but enough to get me by. So I mean, I outsource things in my business too, that you guys don't see. So if you think that we're doing it all, that's the first lie that I would like to bust right now is we're not doing it all. We either have extra help from our spouse, maybe a mom or a mother in law, a sister on. Maybe we're hiring it out. My child does go to day care a couple of days a week because I have to work when he's not here on DSO. Anyway, Outsourcing is perfect. So maybe you don't want to outsource your photography business, okay? Don't outsource something in your home or, um, hire a baby sitter to come on Friday afternoon so you can get out and go have some self care hit up a nail salon or something like it. It's just important. And so that was probably my favorite thing that you did say was that you outsourced cause I was like, Oh, good, I'm not the only one. Um and that leads me into the last part that you said you didn't say it, but it's what wasn't said that I won't talk about. And that is, where did Mom guilt come from? Like obviously we know that the enemy's feeding us lies all the time, and that's definitely a big part of it. But I think a lot of people because of social media, you're just constantly seeing the good and the perfect and the highlights of everybody that you kind of forget. Everybody sucks it something. And so when it's all falling apart at home, chances are you're not gonna know about it because they're not gonna show it to you. They're not gonna openly discuss that their marriage is up in flames or they don't have it all together or their kids are horrible in this season and being little terrors because we know toddlers can be that way. So I'm not really sure where Mom Guilt really became an issue. But it definitely became an issue at some point. And I you're just gonna have to fight it every day and really understand that no one has it all together. But I'd love to hear what you what Your take is on the whole mom guilt phenomenon that seems to be

spk_0:   23:06
really big right now. I definitely think that it has changed over the years because of life being so like, openly displayed on social media more today than it ever has been. So everyone has such like a unique access to everybody's highlight reel that you we've never had before. And so back in the day, back in my grandmother's or even my mother's day, like they were not able to just go and have comparison at their fingertips, they weren't able to be like, Oh, well, Lucy's running a business and also has five kids. It is like posting these beautiful pictures, and she's like, so skinny and she's eating healthy and she works out every day at the gym and like all of these things like, no one has ever had this much access to people's lives ever. And I think it's It can be such a gift. And it's obviously like, gifted many businesses because it's like a freeway to advertise and like, how to speak to your like audience and all of those things, and it can be used for, like, so much good. But it also I think this generation just has, like a unique and more of a problem with mom guilt than ever before, because we have so much access to people. But you write like people are not coming on and be like, Oh yeah, my toddler just had a meltdown. My husband just said the F word to me and because we were screaming at the top of our loans and like we nearly killed each other this afternoon and my house is a wreck. And like all of the things like, nobody wants to get on there and say those things. And so I know that we also have this like, I don't know. It's like this new wave of like we're all like, I'm being authentic and I'm being that, like every everybody's freaking authentic now, okay? And the truth is like, that's also just like a facade because to be honest, my brand is super authentic and really like real and out there. But I will. I'm not going to get on there and be like, Well, I just flipped off my husband, which has happened, you know, like nobody wants to show like the dirtiest parts of ourselves because we fear, like, rejection or we fear, like we're the only ones. And that's why I think it's really important to like take social media breaks and tow like allow yourself, give yourself grace and to realize like nobody is showing you the full story like you have. I'd forget who posted it. The other day. But they said, if somebody fills up their entire instagram story and we're like instead of like big, long things at the top, it's like tiny little dots so you could click through. They filled it up to the max that they can in 24 hours. You've like you can. Actually, it's like two minutes of somebody's 24 hours or something, like if you do the entire thing and there's all these tiny little dots and so you're seeing literally like two minutes if I give you that much into their day, like two minutes into somebody's 24 hours and so you truly do not know what else is happening in people's lives, and you just have to like, not compare yourself to people because you're not seeing the whole story. But I think it's also just part of our nature, like we're always gonna feel. I think women especially like there's so much required of us. I think that we have a special like everybody is expecting, or at least we feel that it's expected of us like to be great at, like to be great at motherhood and grade it like being this mom and this wife and this friend and the sister and this, like homemaker and then also this business person. And like all of these things and we just have I feel like women just especially have so many like, I don't notice requirements of them. Like, people really do think that women are like superheroes, like, we're just supposed to have it all together, whereas, like, I don't really feel like like my husband has that much, like wait on him like where people are like, You're supposed to be good at this. This this, this, this and this. It's like I don't know what the expectations for mothers and like that pool is just so much higher. And so that's where I think Mom guilt comes from in a innocence.

spk_1:   27:17
Yeah. No, I'm so with you. And I agree. Ah, 100% that there are way more weighted expectations on women. But then also, mothers like when you become Hey, Mom, you also are responsible for other human beings. And then all of a sudden, you're supposed to have, like, eight arms and eight legs and all these different talents, and we just don't And what am I I mean, my heart, really, for this whole conversation is that the weight will be lifted honestly, because it is heavy. It can be very lonely, especially when you don't talk to people. One thing about our generation that drives me up a wall. People are so consumed with watching people's lives that they don't care as much to be in them. And so no one's hanging out as much as they used to. I mean, my parents used to have friends come over three days a week, and we would all hang out and sit around play cards and, you know, and I just don't feel like that happens as much anymore, especially because I feel like as more people get put on the earth and people move around and it's just harder to get together. And I really like the perspective that you brought up about. Even if you feel your instagram stories, it's still not even like the icing of their entire lives, like you're literally getting like one little blink into what someone's life is like, Um and no, I don't think any of us care to share the dirty parts of our lives and the things that were like, Oh, my gosh, if anyone ever knew that we just had that fight or if anyone ever knew that, I just screamed to this to my child, like I ve turned in, I wouldn't have Children. I'd be in jail. I mean, I'm not saying Beecher Children people, but you know what I'm talking about, Okay, those of you that are moms you said something where you were like, Oh, if I could take that back, I would, um But yeah, being a mom is hard. Being a business owner and a photographer is hard. So when you drive to balance, though, it is hard. And one thing that I didn't mention that I meant to earlier. I also don't call it balance. But it's the only word that people will resonate with to know what we're talking about. Um, and I like to say I'm always trying to find harmony. Whatever makes me feel more the most at peace, in the most confident in what I'm doing at the time. That's balanced to me because, no, you're you're never gonna be able to put the same percentage of yourself in all the areas of your life. You're just gonna have to pick and choose, So yeah. I mean, wow. Is he after you? If you are a moment a photographer, you're not alone. And we feel you, Um, for sure. So you actually have something awesome coming soon? Will you tell us what you are creating and what will probably be out in the world by the time this errors?

spk_0:   30:13
Yeah. So actually happened, even announced it like the name of it on my social media yet. So this is the first time I'm, like saying it out loud, but way don't have an audience for this yet. No,

spk_1:   30:25
I'm laughing because every person that comes on here and I'm not kidding. You always tells us towards the end of their conversation. Okay? You guys were the first to know. And so they're like, you should change your podcasts names first to know instead. And I'm like, I know that's hilarious. So, anyway, sorry. Go ahead.

spk_0:   30:44
Eso I have been creating a podcast. It's been on my heart and mind for a long time. Probably like a year. And I just had that imposter syndrome that was like, What do you have to say? It as I've already been said, You know, that thing that we do to ourselves. And so finally, I was just like, you know what? I'm telling this imposter syndrome to shut the heck up and I'll do the talking. Thank you. So, um, I have a podcast coming out in 2020 and by the time this airs, this is probably like right around the time, or it is just launching. So it is called Made with Moxie. And if you don't know what moxie means, it means to have, like, determination or nerve. And so that really kind of encompasses me and my story of my testimony where I came from and like, how I had to get real scrappy to get where I am now. And, um, I'm really, really excited about it. So it's gonna be like a mom preneurs her podcast that I like. I'm going to interview other moms who are in the same boat. It's not all gonna be photography based. It's gonna just be like entrepreneur based. So, like, just all the women and mothers who have been successful in have done it while raising Children while having babies, cause there's just like something so special and just unique about that situation that I just felt for a long time. Like I've always I always felt really alone, like all these people that were really successful or I listen to their podcast or I saw them like doing big things. I was like, but they don't have kids. So, like they don't have the time like they can do 24 hours of work. For one thing, that takes me like, seven weeks because I have to split it up in all these, like 30 minute increments. And so I just felt really called Thio. Just create a space for that and to celebrate other mom preneurs and to give people like a peek behind the scenes and good advice and like tips and things for their own businesses to apply to things beyond photography. So that's coming out 2020. So

spk_1:   32:40
oh, but I'm so excited. I'm a podcast junkie, and I love listening to new things. There's some podcasts that I will approach for a season, and it helps me with whatever I'm working on, and then I outgrow. And so I probably listen to maybe five podcast on a weekly basis, and it's funny they all get aired on different days. That kind of work cell for me, eh? So this is definitely gonna be one of mine. I'm really excited for you. There's something very special about podcasting and being able to take someone with you on. And I love the fact that you have one that's gonna be focused on Mom's and other businesses because there's always information that we can apply outside of the industry. But I love to listen to podcasts when I do laundry, cause I hate laundry, and so it makes it a little bit sweeter. It's like getting a treat, but doing what I'm so see doing. And, yeah, I'm so excited for you. Um, the impostor syndrome is pretty sneaky. We all have it. We're all nodding our heads to that. So good job on telling it to be quiet. So I had to do the same thing when I launched this one, and it pays off. It really does, like it's such a passion project that it kind of becomes like another child. I will. I will say that because we're talking about motherhood. So it does. It becomes like another child Almost. But I'm super super pumped for you, so I can't wait to tune into that. Yeah, I'm so excited. Awesome. Well, how can people get connected with you online and continue the conversation of motherhood? And maybe just check out your work

spk_0:   34:18
so you can find me on instagram at Michaela Dawn? She borrow? That is m i k a y l a dawn d a w n and ship roo is c h n e p a r r o

spk_1:   34:31
Awesome. I'm so excited. Well, thank you so much for coming on the frame your way, podcast. And we will talk soon. Thank you. Screen will be here before we know it. And I want to set you up for success when it comes to booking clients. The number one thing I hear all the time is I need more clients. I want you to come hang out with me inside of a Facebook group as I walk you through. How to book out your calendars and get more clients on your books. This five day free training serious is going to take place beginning February 3rd. But before that kicks off, we're gonna be hanging out discussing our businesses and life together leading up to the Siri's. You could join us by clicking the link in the show notes or by typing in booked out photographers on Facebook and searching under groups hope to see you inside.